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 Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-27-09 16:04

What's out there in the way of a cut away metal, composite or wood bodied resonator with decent sounding electrics???

Okay, it doesn't have to be a cut away but a cutaway is preferred...

Thanks in advance for any suggestions...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-27-09 16:36

I have an Oscar Schimdt and it sounds great! My chief axe. That and the 1946 Supro electric.
I bought mine used, but, they are even highly affordable new. The cones are aluminum garbage. I replaced mine with a Quarterman. These guitars have a Firebird pickup, and, this bleeds over into the cone and you get the best of both worlds.
Have been considering installing a Fishman pickup on the cone, but, why bother when it sounds better than a National Resolectric as it is.
Don't waste your hard earned on a National Resolectric. They aren't that great anymore. Or ANY National for that matter...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: theblueslady (---.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com)
Date:   07-27-09 16:37

I think it is time for something special in your guitar collection......

http://www.molonatorguitars.com/
This is what you need Bobert!

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: DocJohn (---.gohighspeed.com)
Date:   07-27-09 17:57

yes you need a molonator, that was the first thing I thought. I had a dobrolectric and it was a lemon. I played one, liked it, saved my do re mi and went and bought one. I ended up sending it back to gibson twice. turns out it was one of the prototypes, or so they said. franbkly, it was junk, not playable. I realize there are some that are, they aren't worth what is being charged. additionally, I thiknk there are brands, like the oscar schmidt Scott mentions above that are better than the nationals and dobros.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-27-09 18:31

Richard plays a cheapy that is nearly identical to mine. It's a Johnson. Look what he pulled off with it! Rogue, (a Fender subsid.) makes one too. They're all mass produced in China (go figure).
Bobert, you have my disc. I played it on track VII, but, we had it plugged into a '48 Gibson amp cranked all the way, so, you really can't hear the resonator effect. But trust me, it's there, and for the price, you can't go wrong. Just put in a better cone.
Molonator's are nice! And, they are very asthetically pleasing. Played several at the Biscuit to demonstrate at their tent on Cherry. Don't think I'd buy one though.
Cheap guitars ARE the blues.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: theblueslady (---.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com)
Date:   07-27-09 19:08

Molonators are made by a TWEEDIOT!
Accept no substitutes.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-27-09 19:20

YES, B-Lady!!! Can I get a loan??? Jus' funnin'... Them babies is prolly too pricey fir me...

I got an Oscar Shmidt reso, Scott... I mean, it's okay but sounds a little tinty to me... Maybe mine ain't as good as yers... I donno...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-27-09 19:23

I have a Johnson metal body... No pickup in it... It's the same model as Tweezer's... I love it for an acoustic geetar... Needs 'lectrifyin'... Can that be done??? That would be very cool if it could and not lose it's sound???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-27-09 19:32

That's 'cause you need a better cone. I think they are all 'bout the same.
Yep, put a Fishman reso. pickup in that Johnson. I have a metal bodied Johnson, and that's what I did. You need to, however, mount a nine volt battery inside of it for the pre-amp. Don't worry about the battery leaking, since 9 volts don't. And, you get something like 15 million hours out of it being used before replacing. Mine's been in for five years.
You can run the jack out of the rear strap peg hole, or maybe mount from one of the F holes.
Know a good luthier??
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-27-09 19:45

My luthier is a Martin man who does warrenty work on my 44 year old Martin D-18... 44 years old, Boberdz??? Danged, my how time flies when yer havin' fun...

No, Scott... I don't... Where can I find this pickup??? Seems that Tweezer has a thread somewhere on changin' out the cone... I think I can do that and prolly installl the pickup, too???

Now I know we've talked alot about cones and Peege made one for the Mayor... I know that Paul Beard (Beard Guitars) makes 'um up in Maryland and I've heard of "Quarterman" (sp???) cones... The Oscar Schmidt definately sound tinty... No fullness to it and even worse thru an amp...

I have a great playing and sounding ES10 Washburn... Heck, I'd be happy if I could just juice it up so that I could play it thru an amp... Ya' think that reso pickup work in it... It's a spider bridge... I love the sound so I don't think I'd mess with the cone if I could 'lectrify it... Kinda worried that the sound in the body is gonna be tinty if yer gonna use a pickup inside it but if I could get that warm sound outta it then maybe just fixing it might be the answer to my needs...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-27-09 19:59

Yeah, those Beard's are something else. Hold a Quarterman and a Beard and ding each one with your finger. I think the Beard rings longer.
You can prolly find a Fishman Reso. on ebay. My luthier has them.
What kinda strings you use for the reso.??
I swear by DR Zebras. Hybrid nickel and bronze wound. Love 'em! And they hold out longer, too.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-27-09 20:42

I use John Pearce strings, Scott, with the hihe E being a .013... I also don't like the sound of new strings on resos played with slides... I like old, old strings that have gotten real organic... I change strings once a year and they taske a couple months of abuse before they sound like I like 'um... I hate bright soundin' strings...

I'll research the Fishman pickup... I think I can install it myself even though I've never taken a reso apart...

May be time for another day trip to Paul Beard's geetar shop... Maybe there is hope for the Oscar Shmidt...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-27-09 20:58

The Zebra's definatley have a seasoned sound, or become that way in just a very few plays. Just try 'em. Think you'll like 'em. Do you use an unwound third? That makes mine sound to twangy. On straight acoustic maybe. Not the resos.
Yes, there is hope for your Oscar.
Just tryin' to save you some coin, bro.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   07-27-09 21:32

RJ uses a Johnson with a firebird PU. What gives his the bottom end is his scratchplate mini washboard that has a lowebow pickup in it.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-28-09 07:41

Yeah, Scott, savin' coins is paramount these days... The pickup that came in the Oscar is something that I know nuthin' about... Do you??? It has volume and tone knobs but I am clueless as to what it is or how it works... I don't think it has a battery in it... The Oscar spent 3 years hangin' in a geetar shop in a small town in Pennsylvania where nobody ever even looked at it... It had dust all over it... The guy was so happy to have me look at it that he sold it to me for less than $400... It is black and composite... 14 fret... Is that like yers??? How does the pickup work??? You think maybe a hotter pickup and a new cone would get it sounding less tinty...

The Johnson (Regal) sound is fine with the cone that came in it but if I'm gonna letcherfy it and gotta take the cone out anyway then I'm not opposed to sticking a Beard or Quarterman back in while I'm at it...

The Washburn sounds great as it is but needs a pickup... I like it's sound and don't think I'd want to mess with the cone at all...

Think I'll just try gettin' them tweeked one at a time...

Yeah, I'd love to have one of them hand crafted Austrailian resos that the B-Lady showed but I ain't in that market these days...

Yo, John... Can you elaborate on Richard's geetars setup???

(((Edited for crappy typin' and spellin')))



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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: BenPrestage (---.pools.spcsdns.net)
Date:   07-28-09 09:46

Bobert do you play that Reso through the PA or through a guitar amp? It probably will sound real thin straight into the PA, but thru a Twin Reverb or something similar, those "cheap" resonators can get some great sounds. You can also possibly raise or lower the pickup to change the strength of the pickup signal and, therefore, the tone.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   07-28-09 10:35

It's a better Pickup Gibson firbird and a Single coil lowebow PU uunder the mini washboard. Not only does it give the scratch sound because it goes in a bass amp it add some bottm to the mix. Avoid transducers I find them tinny.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-28-09 11:05

Yeah, Ben, I usually play the Oscar-Schmidt thru my Blues Junior cabinet which is okay but still a tad on the thin side... But the geetar plays thin (tinty) acoustically, too... I'm sure that geetar needs a better cone... It is a biscuit reso though which may account for it's sound... The Washburn is a spider bridge and has a fuller sound...

Ya'll think that the difference between spider bridge and biscuit is part of it??? I donno... I would think the biscuit would have the fuller sound but I don't know...

Yo, John... You are assuming that I am alot smarter than I am... I don't have a clue what you just told me about Richard's setup... Please elaborate assuming that you are trying to expalin this to 3rd grader...

At any rate, I'm ready to blow up, ahhhh, fix the Oscar first... It has a pickup in it which I don't know jack about... Scott??? You know what it has??? I'm leaning toward a Beard cone and a better pickup...

Preamp??? Etc???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: theblueslady (---.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com)
Date:   07-28-09 11:37

Here's the story of how Pej spins a cone...maybe you can get one fer yer Reso Bobertz...kinda like having your cake and eating it too (~:


http://tweedsblues.net/trader/spin.html

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: theblueslady (---.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com)
Date:   07-28-09 11:40

Oh and this too...
http://tweedsblues.net/trader/newcone.html

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-28-09 11:55

Yeah Bobert, that Oscar sounds like mine. Mine just has the Firebird pickup that ppicks up the cone, too. With a little TLC that thing will sound wonders. I am with John as avoiding those transducers. Been there and done that one on the Johnson. Ended up putting it in a stomp box. That Fishman's the way to go. Think most of the pro dobro players do. Really does justice to the cone and your sound. As you know, micing a reso. is a real pain in the rear.
Thinking a Beard cone may be in my future too.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: micdave (---.knology.net)
Date:   07-28-09 12:13

I have a cheap Johnson (green body) with a Highlander pickup installed in it. Works pretty well, though I rarely play it in public. I have thought off and on about changing out the cone--keep this info coming!

Got a link for the Beard cones?

http://www.microwavedave.com
http://www.myspace.com/microwavedaveandthenukes
http://www.myspace.com/mdandn
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-28-09 16:34

You won't be sorry. I think my Quarterman was about $60 and it made worlds of difference. I mean, even my elderly mom noticed it without me saying anything. It's like night and day.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-28-09 18:21

Okay, ya'll...

http://www.beardguitars.com/

Now for Boberdz Beard guitars story...

Back a few years ago when I was playing every weekend at the Archie Edwards barbershop Saturday afternoon jams there was one of the regulars, Mike Baytop... Seems that Mike always had his beard trimmed up neatly and dressed up fine and I always looked like the hillbilly that I was...

Well, we took up a collection and bought N.J. Warren ("Dad" to me) and bought him a Beard resonator and presented it him 'cuase he was real special to all of us...

The P-Vine wanted to get me a Christmas presnt in the form of a beard trimmer so she called Mike on the phone and next thing ya' know Mike thought she wantecd to get me a Beard geetar... Now Mike is one of them story tellers who can go into a two hour story without takin' in a breath so off he went about Beard geetars which I'm sure went on for an eternity while the patient P-Vine was listenin' wonderin' if the guy was evr going to take a breath...

Then he took a breath... I think it was like right at the two hour mark and the P-Vine said, "No, Mike, I'm asking about what kind of razor you use to keep your beard trimmed..."

They both had a big laugh and I reckon it took Mike another two hours to give her the info she had called about...

Couple years later the conversation came up and Mike retold the story that I have just told in four paragraphs and, as per usual, it took Mike two hours to tell the story...

Gotta love the guy...

Now back to resos...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-28-09 18:22

BTW, hope ya'll enjoyed the Beard website...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-28-09 19:33

Yo, Scott,

You talkin' about #309399 under saddle Fushman pickup at Musican's Freind???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-28-09 20:11

Dat's the one. Thing is smaller than a piss ant, but, roars like godzilla on acid.
You won't be sorry.
I am kinda surpised that Johnny Lowe hasn't done a resonator lowebow yet. Or has he????
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-28-09 20:46

Sheet fire. Scottie!!!

Don't give the boy any more mad ideas... I mean, the Lowebow oughtta get John into the madman instrument inventors hall of fame... And well deserved...

But yer right!!! Danged!!! A cigar box reso Lowebow!!! Danged!!! Ouch!!! That would be the shits of all instruments...

Yo, John, Ya' hear me???

Okay, gonna order me up one of them Fishman's and gonna take me a second trip to Paul Beard's joint for a cone...

We'll start with the Oscar and see what happens... WTF, if I blow it up I still have my Washburn... Think we'll do these surgeries one at a time and just keep this thread open as things go on...

Now, Ben... Let's atlk amps!!!
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-28-09 21:06

Be careful 'fore you start drilling in a metal body. Error on the conservative side (I hate using the "C" word).
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-28-09 21:18

Tell ya' what, Scott... I'm gonna start on the Oscar... That's the one reso that neds the most help... I'll work up from there... Drillin' metal ain't no big thing to me... I been messin' with machinery all my life... I'm up to the task... No biggie...

What is a biggie is that I been lookin' at my Washburn and just not seein' no room under the saddle for a pickup... Does it go
inside the body of the geetar??? If so, all is well but I don't see no place for it on my Washburn... No room... Tight as tree bark in there... No, tight as a mouse's ear...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   07-28-09 23:16

Alvin uses old Dearmonds.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-29-09 12:14

Those are the deal, John. If you can find them. I sold one many years ago and still kick myself in disbelief for doing it.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: bluesdawg40 (165.130.136.---)
Date:   07-29-09 20:24

Good cones will definatly improve the sound of a reso- I recently replaced the cone in My National w/ a Molinator- big improvement.

As far as quality of instruments:
I have 3 Nationals, sound and playability is non parallelled. True they are mucho pricier than a Johnson, etc, but I went thru a passel to find ones that I liked.

Using a step bit, I drilled a hole for the output jack on My old reso, a Regal RC-2, and used a Barcus-Berry dobro pickup, which was atached w/ double stick tape.

My Nationals have Highlander biscuit p/u's in them.

The fishman reso p/u I'm familier w/ are for biscuit's, look like a washer, and attach to the mounting screw under the biscuit. these require a pre amp, I used a Sansamp Acoustic D.I. when I was running that guitar onstage.

Mebbe a uke cone would fit a cigar box guit... hmmmm....

Dawg
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: BenPrestage (---.pools.spcsdns.net)
Date:   07-29-09 22:26

Tone>>>




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkgimysll3o
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-29-09 23:27

Amen, brother Ben.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: DocJohn (---.gohighspeed.com)
Date:   07-30-09 01:31

i have one of these and like it but didn't pay what they are asking for it

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lace-Sensor-Ultra-Slim-Dobro-Acoustic-Guitar-pickup_W0QQitemZ270409978539QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item3ef5b0d2ab&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

ps: there's a bunch of dearmonds on ebay



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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-30-09 08:57

Now ya'll got the ol' hillbilly real messed up...

Fishman??? Need a preamp???

Dearmonds???

Highlanders???

What next??? Spiro Agnews??? Micky Mouses???

Come on ya' all... I just want somethin' that don't need no preamp, any idiot can install and sounds decent... Doesn't have to be all tricked out with bells and whistles... Just looking for "decent"!!!

Geeze Lousise, maybe I need to find a new hobby... Like, ahhhhh........
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   07-30-09 10:40

The thinline de armond will fit without any hacking It's a magnetic PU so it will need zebra or electric strings.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-30-09 10:52

Huh???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-30-09 12:17

It's all prefernece. Guitar Player mag. did a comparative study/poll on resos a few years back, and, they rated the Johnson as having every bit of the "honk" of a National.
Old Nationals are one thing (Jeep Hammond plays a 1930 that sounds like a dream), but every one I have played in the last ten years or so has been pretty bland and vanilla.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-30-09 16:58

Good laughs talkin' with ya last night Bobert!!
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-30-09 19:31

Back atcha, Scottie...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: DocJohn (---.gohighspeed.com)
Date:   07-30-09 23:59

the lace is installed by peeling off some sticum and sliding it under the strings. You can run the wire through the cavity. no holes need drillin. plug it in your amp or DI. sounds good
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: micdave (---.knology.net)
Date:   07-31-09 01:17

They are VERY individual. Dave MacKenzie in Nashville has an old one that's so loud and clear it doesn't need a pickup--the vocal mics put its ambience out enough.

The best amplified reso I've heard was Keb' Mo' two years ago--he had a Highlander inside and some kind of humbucker-lookalike next to the neck. It was beautiful.

But I've played some old Nationals that just sounded choked down for some reason.

I'm starting to get more interested in replacing the Johnson cone. Is it a pain?

http://www.microwavedave.com
http://www.myspace.com/microwavedaveandthenukes
http://www.myspace.com/mdandn
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   07-31-09 02:33

No, it is not a pain. Depends upon how much you want that tone. Take off the plate, center screws...Take out the old one, stick in the new....And do the Hokie-Pokie..and shake it all about. Sorry.
Is your cone already wired Micro??
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   07-31-09 07:23

There's an old thread that the Mayor hisseff started back when he was a full-time mayor about doing a cone swap in his Johnson (Regal) with one from Peege... Maybe someone can find that thread "cause if my recollector is recollectin' good then I kinda recollect some piccures, too...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Tweed (66.0.188.---)
Date:   07-31-09 12:36

Here'zat page Boberts. It's not hard at all and only tricky thing that aint' really that hard is aiming the biscuit at the right angle for the intonation. Aslo, check the heights of yore old and new cone fore ye puts it together as that'll affect the height obv yore strings.

http://tweedsblues.net/trader/newcone.html
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: micdave (---.knology.net)
Date:   07-31-09 14:04

The Highlander is a biscuit pickup, and the output was drilled into the lower edge of the guitar body, like where it is on a Les Paul.

I'll check that link--thanks, Tweed.

http://www.microwavedave.com
http://www.myspace.com/microwavedaveandthenukes
http://www.myspace.com/mdandn
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: SarasotaSlim (---.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   01-13-10 23:27

sorry I'm late...

Check out this wild looking el-cheapo reso made by Dean in China of course...

http://www.deanguitars.com/chrome_g.htm



Engraved Body
Biscuit Bridge
24-3/4" Scale & 1-11/16" Nut
Steel Top, Back & Sides
Grover Tuners
Mahogany Neck
Rosewood Fingerboard
MOP Black
Lipstick & Piezo
blah blah blah

I played it and it sounds pretty good and the mother of toilet seat rocks!
The 3 knobs work like this...
1. electric pickup volume
2. piezo under biscuit volume
3. blend knob - one way pickup - the other - piezo

Gene SARASOTA SLIM Hardage
www.SarasotaSlim.com
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-14-10 00:15

I use the bottoms of energy drink cans on my Lowebows now and a titainiun Bridge. The 21st century sounds better. New sounds ever day. Just go one by moving the high string the bridge acts as a bow. The 20s are gone.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-16-10 19:58

Very wierd...

I just drove 2 hours each way to play one of them Chrome Gs and, ahhhhh...

...they suck... I asked the guy at Guitar Center what was wrong with it and he said that that one was the 3rd one they had gotten in and the othert two sucked, as well... Action is way too low and the thing sounded real lousy...

But they had a nice (used) 12 fret Houndog Taylor which was a real nice playin' and soundin' reso... I would have bought it if it had been 14 fret...

I really need another 14 fret so I thought I'd stop in here an' see if I could find the discussion on the pickup question we talked about back awhile ago and was stunned to find this thread right there...

I'm gonna go ahead and put a pichp on my 14 fret Washburn ES10 which is a great sounding spyder bridge reso and just call it quits fir now... That will give me everything I need to perform without havin' to take the Back Porcher, which BTW, ain't excatly welcome in some of the joints I been playin'... Bunch of snobs...

Anyway, real good to have this thread to reread tomorrow...

BTW, John... The Lowebow goes everywhere I go... Music wise, that is...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: SarasotaSlim (---.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date:   01-17-10 10:22

Bobert wrote:

> Very wierd...
>
> I just drove 2 hours each way to play one of them Chrome Gs
> and, ahhhhh...
>
> ...they suck... I asked the guy at Guitar Center what was wrong
> with it and he said that that one was the 3rd one they had
> gotten in and the othert two sucked, as well... Action is way
> too low and the thing sounded real lousy...
>
> But they had a nice (used) 12 fret Houndog Taylor which was a
> real nice playin' and soundin' reso... I would have bought it
> if it had been 14 fret...
>
> I really need another 14 fret so I thought I'd stop in here an'
> see if I could find the discussion on the pickup question we
> talked about back awhile ago and was stunned to find this
> thread right there...
>
> I'm gonna go ahead and put a pichp on my 14 fret Washburn ES10
> which is a great sounding spyder bridge reso and just call it
> quits fir now... That will give me everything I need to perform
> without havin' to take the Back Porcher, which BTW, ain't
> excatly welcome in some of the joints I been playin'... Bunch
> of snobs...
>
> Anyway, real good to have this thread to reread tomorrow...
>
> BTW, John... The Lowebow goes everywhere I go... Music wise,
> that is...

So was it a Dean like the one in the pick or something else?

I've played 3 different ones like the one in the pic and they each played different. One was actually good! I'm sure the maker got an extra bowl of rice for that. I'm still hoping to get one cuz I'm a sucker fo geetar bling...



Gene SARASOTA SLIM Hardage
www.SarasotaSlim.com

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 12:01

Yeah, Dean makes some fine insruments... Or not... Actually, like most geetar companies, other folks make them for them so yer gonna find some good Deans and some bad ones... I played the Chrome G in Richmond a few months back and thought it was just one of the bad ones so I didn't buy it but thougth I'd try playin' a few more and maybe finding a good one... Not yesterday's G...

On paper the G looks like it should be a decent geetar and maybe if I were more a lutherer and felt like fixin' the thing I might be more interested... I'm not too sure how one would go about gettin' the proper height without the strings hitting the chrome piece over the biscuit but the strings would definately need to be higher off the fretboard to keep them from buzzin'... Both the ones I have played buzzed... I mean, I ain't gonna buy a new geetar that don't play right...

Meanwhile, I'm gonna be checkin' out the setup that Scottie posted a while back and get my Washburn, which plays and sounds great, 'lectherfied...

But good luck, Slim, with yer G... Or G to be... Just ain't me...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 12:57

Yo, Scottie (and others),

I was t5alkin' with the geetar shop guy yesterday about pickup and he said that ceramic pickups work with tube amps (Blues Junior, in my case) but other pickups don't do as well with tube amps...

What's the deal???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-17-10 12:59

A garrish Jr. Kinda like a model T with a Packard trim package.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 13:33

Please elaborate, John...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   01-17-10 14:39

I don't think you'll be sorry with that setup, Bobert.
Hey Slim...elaborate on this "Hound Dog Taylor" model.
Who makes it?
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 15:10

I brougt up the Hound Dog Taylor, Scott... Yer familiar with them, I'm sure... Man, the one I was playin' yesterday had F-holes and 12 fret and was sweet, sweet, sweet and cheap... $299 used... There was another guy lookin' at it, too, who doesn't even own a resonator geetar so I told him to buy it... I left beforte he decided but I'm sure he bought it...

Yeah, Slim... It was the G that is in the first picture with the gold/brass "hub cap"... But mighty fine lookin', fir sure... I was figuring that it would make me look better on stage...lol...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 15:23

BTW, the Washburn ain't a biscuit rteso.... It's a spider bridge... Wjill the Fishman work on it???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: micdave (---.knology.net)
Date:   01-17-10 16:08

How is it that the Hound Dog Taylor model is an acoustic/reso guitar? Hound Dog was all cheap Japanese four-pickup solidbodies in real life. I have a couple.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 16:41

Danged if I know, Dave??? Some stuff don't make alot of sense... No matter, they are some fine playin' acoustic resonators, fir sure... I mean, if I had been looking fir another acoustic resonator yesterday I woulda bought that one in a heartbeat...

But yer right... Hound Dog Taylor's sound is definately solid body all the way... And right nasty, in a good organic way, if I don't say so myself...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: DocJohn (166.216.162.---)
Date:   01-17-10 16:57

Gibson/Dobro makes a wood body reso called the''Hound Dog''. is available round neck and square neck and has pickups. That may be what u are thinking abt. has nuttin to do with hound dog taylor.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   01-17-10 17:13

Yep, the Fishman will work.
You putting it in yourself, or, do you have an experienced Luthier?
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 17:53

Opps... Sorry if it ain't called a Hound Dog Taylor... I can't seem to say one without the other... No matter...

Yeah, Scottie... I'm thinkin' that it's about time for me to see in innards of my Washburn... I mean, it's just nuts and bolt's ain't it... Heck, I used to be a certified GM mechanic (before the computers came in '81) so I kinda know how to take stuff apart and put it together... But if I mess up I can always throw everything in abox and take it to my lutherer buddy in Fredricskburg to have it reasssmebled correctly...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: steve (---.lightspeed.brhmmi.sbcglobal.net)
Date:   01-17-10 18:23

Hey Scott, I'm going to probably get some new strings on my JT-Res copy [Cozart] when it comes in. You seem to know a bit about strings, I was wondering if you had some clips with your Zebra strings sound..........

Being highly amateurish, I've always used electric 9's on my old beater acoustic w/bridge piezo. The light strings are easier to press to the board, since the action is so high. This short scale classical [no neck radius] is so cheap it doesn't even have a truss rod. However, the high action and the lack of radius helps a lot in placing the slide on all strings at once.

You reso masters seem to like the heavy duty strings - wonder what strings you would recommend for a technique playing about 50% slide, 50% fingerpicking - never use a pick.

One more note; did a recent slide track to a song in A, using my Artcore AFS75T, I tuned to A-A-E-A-C#-E [1-1-5-1-3-5] to fit the track. The bottom A was REAL slack; 5th below bottom E on standard tuning. I was wondering about using a bass string or maybe something from a baritone set to get the proper tension for this dropped A???

Any tips you could give would be appreciated, thanks.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 19:09

I use 13s, Steve... I also don't change them very often... I like them when they get some age on them... More organic... I don't use picks either on the 6 strings but use a combination of metal and plastic on my Lowebow...

As fir mixin' strings, I'll leave that to someone else...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-17-10 19:31

I go down to f# with big strings . 76 .60 .48 .38 .22 .17

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 19:32

Yo, Scottie,

I just finished orderin' the Fishman... $129 with free shippin'... I think that's cheaper than the last time I looked... I donno???

Anyway, reckon I'll be doin' some geetar surgery soon so keep yer phone bill paid up in case I gotta call on ya', ya' hear???

BTW, I think when I get this geetar up and runnin' then I'm gonna just call it quits on instruments... Sho nuff am... Might of fact, if anyone out there wants to buy my Johnson metal bodied fir like, ahhhhh, $275 it can go... Same with my JB Player acoustic/electric bass fir $150... I do want to add a one or two string diddly bow to my collection but I think I'm just about all done with GAS... Really... I got my Betty Ford papers, an' all...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-17-10 19:33

On a 30" baritone scale i split off the top two to a bass amp. F# B Rest on a guitar amp E A D F#

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-17-10 19:42

Get you a shorty II.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-17-10 20:06

17s???

You be da man, John...

Heck, I'd need to stand on a 17 with my foot to hold the sumabich down... Makes ol' hillbilly's finger bleed just readin' 'bout 17s... Sho nuff does...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: DocJohn (166.216.162.---)
Date:   01-17-10 20:31

i use 15's on my dobro for slide and finger picking but some times use plastic finger and thumb picks.

I bought a nice baritone for real cheap not too long ago. like it a lot. easier to capo up rather than tune down.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: DocJohn (166.216.162.---)
Date:   01-17-10 20:35

i use 15's on my dobro for slide and finger picking but some times use plastic finger and thumb picks.

I bought a nice baritone for real cheap not too long ago. like it a lot. easier to capo up rather than tune down.
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Author: DocJohn (166.216.162.---)
Date:   01-17-10 22:53

how do i do that?
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   01-17-10 23:28

I highly recommend the Zebra strings. At least for me. You get the best of both worlds. Not too tinny and not to flat. They pick up in the pick up... and, they work in straight acoustic setting. And.. last a while.
I play an .11 set with the reso..12 playing the electric Supro. Ten when playing the old Gibson. Once you go Zebra..you won't go back.
That's just application to those old standard guitars.
Everyone knows..a Lowebowe is a different critter!!
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   01-17-10 23:31

I don't use a pick either.
That's the first thing Howlin' Wolf told Hubert Sumlin to get shed of.
Aren't you glad he did!!
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: steve (---.lightspeed.brhmmi.sbcglobal.net)
Date:   01-18-10 20:35

That's pretty cool, you bein the guit-box meister, but I can't figger it out: what kinda pickup layout you got for keepin the 2 separate from the 4?

Thanks for your help, Johhny



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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: steve (---.lightspeed.brhmmi.sbcglobal.net)
Date:   01-18-10 20:49

That's interesting - I could probably play 13's ifn I done some hand exercises, and the comment about 'older strings sound better' is different school of thought.

Rat cher in my hometown, wher they make GHS strings, they would rather sell you a new set before each gig!

But I've heard some bass players keep their old strings and boil them to get the gunk outta the cracks, so they will ring. But they like the old metal sound, go figger!!

What do you think seasons the strings? Is it just the passing of time, or doin SRV windmills with them until they limber up?

I'll pick me up a set of Zebras, but might be a while afore I can tie a set of 17's on my cheap axe - probably pull the neck right off.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-18-10 21:00

I use John Pearse's... No offense to the GHS 'cuase they are some fine strings, too... I find the John Pearses a litle more organic (dirtier)... As for strings seasonin'??? Hmmmmmmm??? I think it takes about 2 years to get 'um real nice... LOL... No, really... A good month and they get into that groove...

I guess it comes down to what sound ya want outta yer resonator... I like the fatter sound of old strings on a reso... Back when I was performin' more folk/rock/country in the 70s and 80s on my Ol' Martin D-18 seems I couldn't change the strings often enough to get that real pure and bright sound out of them... I was using DeMearls and DeAngerlicos mostly back then and liked them but tghey werer a little more $ than the GHSs which I eventually found purdy cheap (at the time) in 3 packs and used them through out the late 80s and 90s... Fine strings and ral bright when you put 'um on...

BTW, the John Pearses on my Oscar Schmidt are close to a year old and sound wonderful and have survived a couple dozen various gigs...

Ahhhhh, just got an email from Musican's Friend and they are out of the Fishman pickup, have it backordered and will ship when they get their order in...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: steve (---.lightspeed.brhmmi.sbcglobal.net)
Date:   01-18-10 21:32

Good info, Bobert - I'm learnin as I go. 'Nother question: are your Pearse strings conventional rounds or flats?

Buddy of mine had some Elixers but he only played with a pick. They were real purty, and I wondered how they would sound with a glass slide. Do you have any preferences for round vs flat?
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: steve (---.lightspeed.brhmmi.sbcglobal.net)
Date:   01-18-10 21:39

John, you ever see a baritone resonator? Probably could get one built custom but have to sell my pickup truck to pay fer it. I don't even know if Marv or Jim at Heritage could build one since they pretty much stick to flattops, archtops and solids.

Do you fingerpick or slide on your baritone?

What sizes strings you get fer that thang?



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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-19-10 00:15

My newest Johnny Lowebow personal masonite is a 32" with mini resonator cones and variable scale. My design can retofit on most of my guits. That one is 1.00 .48 .28 .16 .

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-19-10 00:19

When you downtune the strings are not hard to press. I hand make my pickups.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: micdave (---.knology.net)
Date:   01-19-10 00:42

Baritone resophonics played by:


Bob Brozman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAQ0pyKW4S4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU72MTooapQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch4XLH1LSuU



Catfish Keith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtUqvjbhZYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLpG-RezecE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLbo4xDMWy8&feature=related

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Author: DocJohn (---.sta.embarqhsd.net)
Date:   01-19-10 08:22

mine is a yamaha electric tuned B-B in standard tuning. it's called a "drop 6" originally sold for 750 and I got it new off the shelf 2 years after it was dicontinued for abt 200 off ebay. actually I got it to play in the little group we have at church as the bass player decided he wants to play lead and sing, which he is good at. he is also the conga player.
this is not mine but its identical to it.
anyway I've fooled with it a little in open tuning and slide and it's a lot of fun. haven't had the time to really work with it. I think I'll do that this weekend. I did spend some time this summer learning some surf tunes on it which it really sounds good on. I'd never played any of that stuff before so it was fun. need to get back to it.

those reso baritones sound awesome. here's another one it's an 8 string http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbFhgHTqvY&feature=related from australia I think.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-19-10 10:18

The only experience I've had with Exilers is with the Nenoweb, Steve and those strings and slides are like oil and water... Won't slide at all... Now I know there are other Elixers out there but after my experience with the Nanowebs...

As for th John Pearses', yeah, thay are wound strings... To look at 'um you'd think they were GHSs and they aren't that much different... They don't play quite as slick which is why I like them and why I like older strings in general... I guess that is a matter of what sound one wants outta a resonator or geetar... I used to like that bright sound but over the years have come to appreciate a mudier sound...

BTW, John... I still need a one or two stringed diddlybow... You makin' any??? I had a guy over at Cigar Box Nation that was gonna make me one.... Even had Rockerman make a pickup for it... Then once the guy got the pickup he disappeared... No diddlybow... No nuthin'...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-19-10 10:27

I hbave a couple of the coral reissue danelectro baritones for a blowout price of $300.00. To convet them to my duel output spec would be more. I hope to get some necks. Just a retrofit neck for a fender is about this much.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-19-10 11:56

How about the diddlybow question, John???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: DocJohn (---.sta.embarqhsd.net)
Date:   01-19-10 15:59

I wish I'd known when I was buying, John L. Didn't even think to ask u.
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Scott (---.newwavecomm.net)
Date:   01-19-10 18:47

As mentioned before, Steve, I think you will be pleasently surprised by the Zebra's. They are perfect for an electric resophonic. It's all most like the strings are "pre-seasoned". And, given the hybrid, "work" the cone and recieve well on the pickup.
What makes strings sound better after playing them? I don't know. Maybe something to do with the stretching string, and the oils from your hands giving them "texture".
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-19-10 22:56

I got a shorty one and two in stock. Running out of those boxes. let me know and I'll hold one for ya. I also have the new Cathead one string Glockenhand With resonator eyes.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-20-10 07:58

Can ya' post a piccure, John???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-20-10 09:14

I've got some on he cigarbox fourum. I've yet to figure out this place for pictures. If you're on facebook I got a bunch over there. I have one Morriswood diddly left also.

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-20-10 16:07

I'll check out CBN pics, John...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-20-10 19:46

So, John... I reckon that yer diddlybows are like the one string CB on the pic at CBN... Is that right??? If so, how much would one cost me???
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Johnny Lowebow (---.mem.bellsouth.net)
Date:   01-21-10 00:42

The Morriswood and the Cathead resonator are one strings. Shortys come in one or two . One string Plank style with ceramic insulator bridge . Just call and we can haggle. 888 838 9885

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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: Bobert (---.cust.wildblue.net)
Date:   01-21-10 08:16

10-4, John...
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 Re: Electric Resonator Question???
Author: steve (---.lightspeed.brhmmi.sbcglobal.net)
Date:   01-21-10 20:08

Thanks for all yer expertise guys - I really appreciate the tips and tricks.



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